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I don't, and likely never will have, the same faith in Moyes as I had with Fergie. But the faith I have in him (and I do think he'll come good) hasn't changed. That was the point I was making. I'll never have faith in any manager as much as I had in Fergie. Plus I think it's far too early to go bashing Moyes, just as I think it was too early to sack Di Canio - unless anything happened behind the scenes that I don't know about.

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Can't speak for others but I four one think Moyes needs to be given time, lots and lots of time.

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Looks like Elijah Wood. Supports Liverpool. Likes Coldplay.

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He was an ill-disciplined nutcase as a player and unfortunately the same as a manager. They should never have employed him. His record at Swindon was decent but he did fall out with the players and I know a couple of Swindon fans and they said he only had one tactic and if that failed they rolled over - no plan B ever existed. And selling Sessignon was daft for a club lacking creative spark.

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I don't like Di Canio at all. I think he's a nasty little weasle. I don't see it as a sacking - I see it as common sense. Every time he comes on our telly I shake my fist in an angry fashion at him. Yuck.

Moyes - I think they should have not allowed a scot to take over from a scot. A double scotch is never a good idea. Loved watching that game though. The question now is not will Man Utd stick with Moyes but will Man Utd fans stick with Man utd now that they're a bit crap - there are some genuine fans but a lot are fickle glory hunters.

As Chipper Chaz pointed out (from twitter) - 'Been a fan of Man Utd for 3 years now, if they carry on like this i'm going back to Chelsea.' How we cried with laughter. Chaz and I love twitter when the footie is on.

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Don't think any Utd fans will abandon the club, and there's no way you can compare us to any of the oil clubs - if anything we're kinda the opposite of that tbh.

But I think there'll be a limit how far fans will stick by Moyes and all the Everton coaching staff/players he's brought along if the results are poor and the football is negative. I think most intelligent Utd fans accept a major transitional period, but expect some degree of positivity I.E someone with an exciting philosophy or the appointment or an interesting assistant manager or some positive activity in the summer after winning the league. Obviously none of those things occurred and I imagine another month of poor results, in this day and age, will see Moyes really feeling the pressure both from fans and media.

Di Canio - good riddance to bad rubbish, Nuff said.

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Utd, Chelsea, City and Liverpool before them (when I was at primary school before Man Utd started winning everything there were LOADS of Liverpool fans. And 3 Man Utd fans!) all gained fans through success.

I wasn't sure how I'd feel post Fergie - to me the club and the man were the same thing - I started supporting them about the time he joined - I don't remember them before.

But my love for the club hasn't diminished one bit. I won't be going anywhere. Unless they start banning ethnic minorities, people with disabilities or drowning kittens then this will never change. I have faith in Moyes. Do I think he'll emulate Fergie? No. I don't think any manager in this league - or any of the major European leagues ever will. Not at one club anyway.

It took him 3 and a half years to win his first trophy. He then won 38 trophies in the next 23 years. No one will repeat that. In one of his first seasons Utd finished 11th!

If it takes Moyes 2 or 3 years to win anything then that's fine. Although naturally a treble will do nicely this season thanks. I wouldn't normally care much about the league cup, but I think he needs to get a good result against Liverpool this week. I hope it's a half decent team that plays and I expect it will be.

So to cut a long story short - I ain't going nowhere.

Fergie's trophies at Utd (some might not be that prestigious, but you still can't knock it):

Premier League (13): 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
FA Cup (5): 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
League Cup (4): 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
FA Charity/Community Shield (10): 1990 (shared), 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League (2): 1998–99, 2007–08
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1990–91
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1991
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

And in Scotland:

St. Mirren
Scottish First Division (1): 1976–77

Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division (3): 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup (4): 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup (1): 1985–86
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982–83
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983

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Yes he's inherited a championship winning team. But he's a different manager with different ideas. Plenty of other managers - and bigger names than Moyes - have inherited winning teams and not been able to sustain it.

That's the struggle and that's what made Fergie great - sustained success. Blackburn didn't go on a great run after they won the PL did they? Or Liverpool since they won a few cups in the middle of the last decade. They were champions of Europe and a big club with a decent amount of cash who made some expensive signings, but have been a mid-table side of late.

Moyes is doing just fine so far.

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I Don't think Utd fans feel entitled to win everything, Westie, or are opposed to transition or struggle, I think there's a genuine concern at the running of the club and the capability of Moyes to handle such a monumental step up. It's not the not signing anyone - it's the manner of Woodward and Moyes' shenanigans in the summer. It's not the losing to arch rivals - it's the tactical approach and negativity of the football.

I think what Utd fans (and players) do expect is a strong campaign in at least 2 competitions per season and with the players at the club I think anyone would expect the same. Utd are a massive, successful club and there isn't really any avoiding that.

Kev, no offence mate, but he's having a mare thus far. The Summer was a disaster and so far the results have been poor and the football has been drab, add to that his repeated excuses about fixture list not being fair and he's looking out of his depth. He removed all the Utd team coaches who had experience with winning matches and replaced them with the Everton coaching staff and Phil Neville, and after fucking around all summer signed one player... from Everton, and overpaid for him.

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I've said before that I don't really think the squad needed strengthening. The failed transfers happened when Moyes was in the far east and Australia. They were down t Woodward more than anyone. The best bit of transfer dealing in the summer was keeping Rooney - and Moyes repeatedly turned down offers and said he was not for sale.

Rooney didn't seem happy, seemed to sulk in his first game - and now is looking happy and is on top form. That's surely down to the man-management of Moyes, or do you have another explanation as to why he's happy and settled all of a sudden?

5 games into the season is WAY too early to judge his tactics. He'll - like Jose at Chelsea and Pellegrini at City - take a few games to settle upon his first team and other possibilities. All 3 clubs have had bad results, all three are very much in the running (for what it's worth at this early stage).

Really not getting the Moyes slagging. It seems like everything that's wrong with modern football. Get a new manager and he doesn't win his first few games 4 nil - start booing him and have him sacked in a month's time... we've watched this happen at other clubs - pretty much all but Arsenal and, incidentally - Everton - even when managers win trophies like at Chelsea and also Roberto Martini!

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