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He Who Hears Horses
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| KevW wrote: | Is the music industry failing? Or is it just that the guys in suits aren't needed as much now?
Singles sales have gone from 31m in 2003 to 162m last year. That's over 5 times as many.
Bands don't need so many people involved to get records out now. So the middle men are surplus to requirements. Bands need to realise that a bit more. You can do a lot with word-of-mouth now if you're good enough.
Of course there will be decent bands struggling and falling under the radar. But hasn't that always been the case? |
Really good post. |
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Trev
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| KevW wrote: | | That fella White Town, he had a number 1 in 1997 with a song he made at home in his bedroom. Not sure he's ever done anything live. |
Saw him play to a room of 40 people just two weeks ago, acoustic only - no mics or amps. |
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KevW
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Trev wrote: | | KevW wrote: | | That fella White Town, he had a number 1 in 1997 with a song he made at home in his bedroom. Not sure he's ever done anything live. |
Saw him play to a room of 40 people just two weeks ago, acoustic only - no mics or amps. |
Wow. Didn't know he was still doing stuff! Was he any good? Did he play Your Woman?
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Trev
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| KevW wrote: | | Trev wrote: | | KevW wrote: | | That fella White Town, he had a number 1 in 1997 with a song he made at home in his bedroom. Not sure he's ever done anything live. |
Saw him play to a room of 40 people just two weeks ago, acoustic only - no mics or amps. |
Wow. Didn't know he was still doing stuff! Was he any good? Did he play Your Woman? |
He did 'Your Woman' but the vocals were all Nat Johnson (she was on the bill). She's ace, too. And yeah it was pretty good for an acoustic set (he played for about 25 minutes, I reckon). |
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Bovine Juice
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Did he do IndieTracks one year (or is that this year?)?
My word, my memory is going.
My word, my memory is going.
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Bovine Juice
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Aren't those 'single' sales just random album track downloads? It could just mean that people downloading entire albums is plummeting. |
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Trev
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Bovine Juice wrote: | Did he do IndieTracks one year (or is that this year?)?
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He did, 1st or 2nd year.
My memories gone, too. |
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KevW
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Thee SPC
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Here's some nerdy numbers for you that I discovered after doing some market research recently:
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Sales of the physical albums continue to thrive, concluded a presentation by Sony Music Entertainment and trade body U.K. Music called 'Not All Consumers Are the Same.' The latest IFPI data for 2009 shows U.K trade revenue is 73% physical, 19% digital and 8% performance rights.
Total unit physical sales UK IFPI (2009)
single 3M
albums 90M
Small-sized independent recording companies operate as part of very localised independent networks of cultural production and distribution, often with little contact with the higher tiers of the industry, share 28.4% of world music market.
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Vodka-Volauvent
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| He Who Hears Horses wrote: | | Vodka-Volauvent wrote: | | He Who Hears Horses wrote: |
I do maintain that the stigma related to CD releases is very daft and if bands were to get more creative regarding artwork and release there's no reason why CD shouldn't be viewed as a beautiful format again. It is by far the most useful physical format and (more or less) the cheapest, and that should be celebrated, rather than shunned.
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That's the exact mindset that's causing the music industry to fail. |
I don't think 'that mindset' is being embraced in any kind of widespread area enough to cause anything yet. It did happen decades ago in the c86 scene and it was great.
Also, I don't think bands embracing the cheapest format available to them and spending their time/imagination/money on enhancing their creative output instead of looking for kitsch, aesthetic formats that are outside of their and their labels price-range is anything but a good thing.
We live in age where we're spoilt for choice with formats - CD, tape, vinyl, download, USB - and yet people still feel unsatisfied...mental.
If anything is "causing the music industry to fail", whatever the fuck that means, I would hazard a guess that it's the piss poor quality of releases and lack of any real creative ambition from bands and labels to make something that is truly special. |
'the mindset' being the industry standard head-in-the-sand luddite view that CDs are king.
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He Who Hears Horses
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Vodka-Volauvent wrote: | | He Who Hears Horses wrote: | | Vodka-Volauvent wrote: | | He Who Hears Horses wrote: |
I do maintain that the stigma related to CD releases is very daft and if bands were to get more creative regarding artwork and release there's no reason why CD shouldn't be viewed as a beautiful format again. It is by far the most useful physical format and (more or less) the cheapest, and that should be celebrated, rather than shunned.
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That's the exact mindset that's causing the music industry to fail. |
I don't think 'that mindset' is being embraced in any kind of widespread area enough to cause anything yet. It did happen decades ago in the c86 scene and it was great.
Also, I don't think bands embracing the cheapest format available to them and spending their time/imagination/money on enhancing their creative output instead of looking for kitsch, aesthetic formats that are outside of their and their labels price-range is anything but a good thing.
We live in age where we're spoilt for choice with formats - CD, tape, vinyl, download, USB - and yet people still feel unsatisfied...mental.
If anything is "causing the music industry to fail", whatever the fuck that means, I would hazard a guess that it's the piss poor quality of releases and lack of any real creative ambition from bands and labels to make something that is truly special. |
'the mindset' being the industry standard head-in-the-sand luddite view that CDs are king. |
Hmm...do you know what Luddite means?
Calling someone who's arguing the case for CD over Vinyl and tapes Luddite is literally laughable. That isn't Luddite. One of the main reasons that I like CDs is that they're compatible with computers (for now) and modern technologies, as I made clear.
Walking 'round in daft, unpractical, outdated clothes, holding boxes full of vinyl, on your way to DJ at a retro indie night...that's Luddite mate 
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KevW
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Luddites were the group who opposed machines taking their work away from them during the industrial revolution. I don't know the guy's first name but the instigator's surname was Ludd.
The word 'luddite' is sometimes misused but generally applies to someone who fails to accept new technologies.
I'm a luddite - purely through laziness.
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Pink Gingham Kid
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Ned Ludd and he was fictitious!
\a level history blog
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KevW
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| Pink Gingham Kid wrote: | Ned Ludd and he was fictitious!
\a level history blog |
Just been looking this up. It may well have been a name which was made up and attched to the movement. There doesn't seem to be proof either way! Ned Ludd or Ned Lud, possibly born Ned Ludlam or Edward Ludlam are the names wikipedia lists.
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| He Who Hears Horses wrote: | | Vodka-Volauvent wrote: | | He Who Hears Horses wrote: | | Vodka-Volauvent wrote: | | He Who Hears Horses wrote: |
I do maintain that the stigma related to CD releases is very daft and if bands were to get more creative regarding artwork and release there's no reason why CD shouldn't be viewed as a beautiful format again. It is by far the most useful physical format and (more or less) the cheapest, and that should be celebrated, rather than shunned.
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That's the exact mindset that's causing the music industry to fail. |
I don't think 'that mindset' is being embraced in any kind of widespread area enough to cause anything yet. It did happen decades ago in the c86 scene and it was great.
Also, I don't think bands embracing the cheapest format available to them and spending their time/imagination/money on enhancing their creative output instead of looking for kitsch, aesthetic formats that are outside of their and their labels price-range is anything but a good thing.
We live in age where we're spoilt for choice with formats - CD, tape, vinyl, download, USB - and yet people still feel unsatisfied...mental.
If anything is "causing the music industry to fail", whatever the fuck that means, I would hazard a guess that it's the piss poor quality of releases and lack of any real creative ambition from bands and labels to make something that is truly special. |
'the mindset' being the industry standard head-in-the-sand luddite view that CDs are king. |
Hmm...do you know what Luddite means?
Calling someone who's arguing the case for CD over Vinyl and tapes Luddite is literally laughable. That isn't Luddite. One of the main reasons that I like CDs is that they're compatible with computers (for now) and modern technologies, as I made clear.
Walking 'round in daft, unpractical, outdated clothes, holding boxes full of vinyl, on your way to DJ at a retro indie night...that's Luddite mate |
I wasn't referring to your good self as a Luddite I was directing that at the elusive 'Music Industry' and their severe lack of foresight in embracing modern technology. CDs should be long buried in favour of digital formats.
As for your closing comment; so long as your trousers cover your knackers surely that's practical enough?
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He Who Hears Horses
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Vodka-Volauvent wrote: | | He Who Hears Horses wrote: | | Vodka-Volauvent wrote: | | He Who Hears Horses wrote: | | Vodka-Volauvent wrote: | | He Who Hears Horses wrote: |
I do maintain that the stigma related to CD releases is very daft and if bands were to get more creative regarding artwork and release there's no reason why CD shouldn't be viewed as a beautiful format again. It is by far the most useful physical format and (more or less) the cheapest, and that should be celebrated, rather than shunned.
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That's the exact mindset that's causing the music industry to fail. |
I don't think 'that mindset' is being embraced in any kind of widespread area enough to cause anything yet. It did happen decades ago in the c86 scene and it was great.
Also, I don't think bands embracing the cheapest format available to them and spending their time/imagination/money on enhancing their creative output instead of looking for kitsch, aesthetic formats that are outside of their and their labels price-range is anything but a good thing.
We live in age where we're spoilt for choice with formats - CD, tape, vinyl, download, USB - and yet people still feel unsatisfied...mental.
If anything is "causing the music industry to fail", whatever the fuck that means, I would hazard a guess that it's the piss poor quality of releases and lack of any real creative ambition from bands and labels to make something that is truly special. |
'the mindset' being the industry standard head-in-the-sand luddite view that CDs are king. |
Hmm...do you know what Luddite means?
Calling someone who's arguing the case for CD over Vinyl and tapes Luddite is literally laughable. That isn't Luddite. One of the main reasons that I like CDs is that they're compatible with computers (for now) and modern technologies, as I made clear.
Walking 'round in daft, unpractical, outdated clothes, holding boxes full of vinyl, on your way to DJ at a retro indie night...that's Luddite mate |
I wasn't referring to your good self as a Luddite I was directing that at the elusive 'Music Industry' and their severe lack of foresight in embracing modern technology. CDs should be long buried in favour of digital formats.
As for your closing comment; so long as your trousers cover your knackers surely that's practical enough? |
 Nicely put. The dafter the better I say, it shows bottle and character.
But, on topic, you can't call CDs luddite while espousing the merits of vinyl, dude. CDs are, at least for now, the most practical physical format left. They are the only trad format that can be put straight into a computer for crying out loud.
Also, and I might be wrong with this, but I kinda thought the bulk of the record industry HAD embraced digital formats? I mean, they sell shit loads of downloads, and don't have to pay any duplication costs...no? |
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KevW
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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The best format (physical) was the mini disc. Sound quality as good as the best downloads/files or CDs. Virtually indestructable, small, convenient. Better than CDs overall, it's a shame Sony f***ed it up by keeping it to themselves rather than making it a universal product.
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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For larger labels, duplication costs have never been the issue, marketing has. Now the market has been opened up so much, marketing is more important than ever. It might even costs more now to acquire a customer than ever.
But what's the big deal with either format, vinyl or Cd? If a label/band think they can sell either/both (or don't care about the cost) surely they can stick out whatever format they like.
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Bovine Juice
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