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... yeah I don't see my name at the bottom of the Writer's Poll page... hmm, I wasn't aware I was voting from Florida or something...

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Geesh, I missed the poll request email :(

Oh well...

Personally, the FF album is fine and all, but maybe only top 10 for me, certainly not #1, though. No Wilco? No Flogging Molly? No Cure? No Beastie Boys? Libertines at #5? Eh, no surprises, then :)

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Ah the old cultural music differences... must be something about the Britishness of the Libs which enhance their decency. The eponymous album is a bit average though, didn't get in my list... 'Ere Bob what's the deal with you Americans (well... Pitchfork anyway) getting all in a bother about The Arcade Fire's album... I got it after seeing the vast amounts of jizz flung its way by American pundits and it really really isn't that good... seriously, what's the deal?

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... yeah I don't see my name at the bottom of the Writer's Poll page... hmm, I wasn't aware I was voting from Florida or something...


whatyoutalkinabout Westie?

http://www.soundsxp.com/1445.shtml

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Actually just forgot you off the list of credits. :oops:

As for Bobo... :oops: forgot completely - it's cos you're not on the promos list what with an ocean making postage somewhat pricey. Sorry..........

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Ah that's alright, getting forgotten about is one of my great talents... Anyway my votes were actually factually correct, seriously, so for them to make such a minor splash is a disappointment, heh...

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... yeah I don't see my name at the bottom of the Writer's Poll page... hmm, I wasn't aware I was voting from Florida or something...


whatyoutalkinabout Westie?

http://www.soundsxp.com/1445.shtml

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Actually just forgot you off the list of credits. :oops:

As for Bobo... :oops: forgot completely - it's cos you're not on the promos list what with an ocean making postage somewhat pricey. Sorry..........


Ah, no worry, mate. I understand completely. Looking at the list, I wouldn't have made much of a dent, what with my list being substantially different :)

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Ah the old cultural music differences... must be something about the Britishness of the Libs which enhance their decency. The eponymous album is a bit average though, didn't get in my list... 'Ere Bob what's the deal with you Americans (well... Pitchfork anyway) getting all in a bother about The Arcade Fire's album... I got it after seeing the vast amounts of jizz flung its way by American pundits and it really really isn't that good... seriously, what's the deal?


Honestly, I haven't the faintest. Having not heard the album, and being substanantly out of the music loop lately (damn life), I only know the name... couldn't tell you why everyone's wound up about them. I'll give them a listen if I get a chance and report back whether you're right (likely, given the awful media machine) or wrong (possible, given your views on the Libs and Moz ;))

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Okay, Westie, just for you, I went and borrowed the Arcade Fire EP from a mate at a local shop to "review". Doesn't do much for me after two listens. Not awful, but nothing I'd be running down the road shouting about either.

So, there you have it. In short, no idea what all the music punters are up about here :)

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I agree that there did seem some predictability in the popularity of 'NME' type bands (FFs, Libs, Mozzer) with a few googlies thrown in. Like others I was disappointed to see so much Franz Ferdinand in there - it is not so much that the album is bad (it is rather good, though I got tired of it after a whil) but I am fed up with the bloody ubiquity of the once arm-band-wearing artos. And I really do not want to hear Take Me Out again in 2005. :x But then again it may be that I begrudge their success.

The trouble with polls like these is that they invariably disappoint or are bones of contention (eg 'wot, no Wedding Present?' :wink: ). I, for one, don't think that we all have the same tastes but would like to think that we hold similar ones in a rather broad church, which permits those with eclectic tastes. Even alt-country :P

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What is it that antagonises about Franz Ferdinand, folks? They were my number one choice but I am no sheep, never have been (and I certainly don't "read" NME), I simply believe they are one of the most talented groups I have seen for years. When I first saw them they were supporting Interpol and blew the main act off the (tiny) stage. I only talked about FF afterwards; Interpol were good but before the gig I believed they were great.

I love Franz Ferdinand because: a)they write proper pop songs b) they don't jam or spend hours arsing about between songs like most bands I've seen this year c) they don't act the rock star on stage d) they (largely) don't do pathetic rock-thrash endings, something I absolutely abhor e) they're professionals - not glorified amateurs. Watching them reminds me of black and white footage of the Beat Room or Ready Steady Go. Yes, I'm an old-fashioned kind of chap.

Unlike most "over-hyped" bands, they don't disappoint me live. I'm sick to death of paying good money to see high-earning, high-grossing groups who can hardly sing or play and apparently don't even rehearse. I am delighted for them that they have managed to become so successful considering they've (thus far) remained true to their stated aim. As a person close to my heart said recently, if Franz Ferdinand were still playing grotesque little Glasgow venues, they'd be a lot more popular amongst the cooler-than-thou.

I haven't even heard many of the groups people may have preferred to see further up the list, largely because they don't seem to want to play outside of England or maybe they simply haven't been played on Irish radio. Bring them on, I can assure you the Dublin music scene is the most dire I've ever been exposed to, it's high time we had some decent talent experiment with small gigs over here, we certainly have the venues. Did Loves come here in 2004? If so, I'm sorry I missed them. I must say, reading many of the reviews on this site, I do feel a mite envious of the sheer choice of gigs around London.

None of which makes me any less proud to be a huge Franz Ferdinand fan, though. No album I heard in 2004 even came close.

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Their brown shirt outfits complete with armbands and somewhat dubious symbols when we first caught them at the Barfly pissed me off for a start - not clever and not funny.

I cannot stand the lead singer. A pompous art student twat who shamelessly rips off Postcard records and claims it as his own. It makes you wonder why he isn't in a band with people of his own age. There again youngsters are an impressionable lot are they not?

Granted the first single and it's b-sides were good but the rest? Sorry Fernando but Interpol do it so much better having seen both bands live in 2004.

FF - an average band in the right place at the right time.

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Well we're not going to agree, which is fine. But did Alex Kapranos really claim the sound as his own? As far as I recall he was very up front about his love of Josef K and early Orange Juice and that was where FF positioned themselves. And as a less-than-impressionable non-youngster I was rather comforted by those influences. JK & OJ are two of my favourite groups, so, Bola, we are divided by a common cause, so to speak.

I think their previous choice of attire, while stupid & naive, is art for art's sake and shouldn't be taken too seriously. It would have stuck in my throat had I seen it though, so I trust you on that. However, I don't really understand what AK's age has to do with it either; I think it's actually refreshing that someone who isn't still at school can break into the music scene from scratch.

And I do still love Interpol, though that hardly matters.

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However, I don't really understand what AK's age has to do with it either


I am just wondering if the tedious toss has pissed off his peers so much he had to form a band with younger people. :twisted: :wink:

And as for ages us lot at this site are hardly spring chickens now are we.......... Man I love Postcard Records. Maybe I am pissed off with a younger pup reclaiming it for todays masses! Orange Juice mp3's on my site (links below) this week.

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I recall that arm band wearing gig (and the brown shirts, sensible trousers, and conversation in german when technical problems caused a hiatus). I think I may even have reviewed it. Ah, those were the days. Probably. But the outfit/uniform thing divided SXP people, I recall. Some thought it an art pose and justifiable. Others thought it was stupid and irresponsible/indefensible in a time of rising right. I thought the get up was facile (if not fascist) and probably more in the vein of trying to copy Joy Division (even the bassist had a low slung rickenbacker bass like Hookey in the early days; another tried to look like a young Bernard Albrecht (ne Sumner) with floppy fringe and tie). Both their look and their music sounded derivate - a bit of The Fall, a bit of Joy Division etc. OK I thought highly of the album when it first came out. I think the album is clever - but more calculated than inspired. And whilst it has catchy tunes - so catchy I don't need (or want) to go back to them! - it is a bit dry and passionless. They do seem a bunch of poseurs though (and that's a bad thing)...the foppy faschionists...

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It didn't work for Joy Division either did it! Art can be very effective or make you look like a bunch of prats.

As for my earlier post I am sure Alex Kapranos is not a tedious toss but as passionate about music as me and the rest of us here. I just think FF got lucky in 2004 when there are more deserving bands out there. I will shut up about it now seeing as it is 2005 and I am listening to the new Decemberists, Wedding Present and Bright Eyes albums via p2p. I think this year is gonna be great!

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Nor did it work for Siouxsie Sioux, who quickly dropped her nazi armband ('having made her statement' or something). Yes, Joy Division learned their lesson and the others promptly renamed themselves New Order and had Futurism cover art. Oh dear. The controversy. Though the idea that NO and Factory Records were ever a bunch of fasces carriers is ridiculous. Or can you have Anarcho-Fascists?

Didn't FF move into to some sort of Russian Constructivism phase with the Take Me Out video? In 2005 I predict they flirt with Futurism, Vorticism and become new Romantic Surrealists. What's the sound of Pop Art, Art Brut? :wink:

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Ooh goody we continue to debate the beauty of the Franz lads into 2005 - the clothes do not maketh the band, the minds do that - and these boys have the kind of minds I want ticking in the musical world - plus the Nazis stole and corrupted the symbols associated with them - perhaps the Franz boys were stealing them back and making them their own? - perhaps all their other clothes were in the wash :wink: Who cares. somebody said the other day they hated them because they were too polished! 'Fuck me' reply the Franz lads - 'sorry for being perfect'. Let's give these lads a chance - it's early days for them still - there's a musical world to conquer and these lads are doing a fine job with their invasion..ahem...and if all else fails Alex would make a lovely mannequin..

Their album was breathtaking and it will continue to visit my cd player this year.


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Ooh goody we continue to debate the beauty of the Franz lads into 2005 - the clothes do not maketh the band, the minds do that - and these boys have the kind of minds I want ticking in the musical world - plus the Nazis stole and corrupted the symbols associated with them - perhaps the Franz boys were stealing them back and making them their own? - perhaps all their other clothes were in the wash :wink: Who cares. somebody said the other day they hated them because they were too polished! 'Fuck me' reply the Franz lads - 'sorry for being perfect'. Let's give these lads a chance - it's early days for them still - there's a musical world to conquer and these lads are doing a fine job with their invasion..ahem...and if all else fails Alex would make a lovely mannequin..

Their album was breathtaking and it will continue to visit my cd player this year.


You're right of course Cavey (for a change!...). I was at the same early gig as Bola and TT where they worse the dubious gear and I have to say it put me off them a tad too. However the main problem for some of us clearly is that two top singles aside (Take Me Out and Matinee) their sound quickly grates. Anyway the Libs romped off with most of the awards on here 2 years ago and judging by the opinions given they also divide opinions. You can't please all the people...

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Ooh goody we continue to debate the beauty of the Franz lads into 2005 - the clothes do not maketh the band, the minds do that - and these boys have the kind of minds I want ticking in the musical world - plus the Nazis stole and corrupted the symbols associated with them - perhaps the Franz boys were stealing them back and making them their own? - perhaps all their other clothes were in the wash :wink: Who cares. somebody said the other day they hated them because they were too polished! 'Fuck me' reply the Franz lads - 'sorry for being perfect'. Let's give these lads a chance - it's early days for them still - there's a musical world to conquer and these lads are doing a fine job with their invasion..ahem...and if all else fails Alex would make a lovely mannequin..

Their album was breathtaking and it will continue to visit my cd player this year.


You're right of course Cavey (for a change!...). I was at the same early gig as Bola and TT where they worse the dubious gear and I have to say it put me off them a tad too. However the main problem for some of us clearly is that two top singles aside (Take Me Out and Matinee) their sound quickly grates. Anyway the Libs romped off with most of the awards on here 2 years ago and judging by the opinions given they also divide opinions. You can't please all the people...

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er, BJ, "...say something once, why say it again...?"

And yes Cavey we shouldn't judge by appearances. But I reckon it is a bit different where a band chooses to appear in such a way on stage as their public image, so they should be prepared to take any consequences. In fact, the whole arm-band wearing escapade was ancient history by the time they released the album and it didn't have affect my positive review for this site. I think they've produced a nice album, one of the poppiest of the year, and a nice single and video (Take Me Out) but I really don't see what all the fuss is about and the adulation that praises them up to the heavens as the best thing since self-peeling bananas. But then I rate the Libertines and they have their hordes of detractors. :cry:

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