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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:18 pm 
Rock Against Racism Presents...

CRASH CONVENTION - www.crashconvention.com
DEAD FLY BUCHOWSKI
RENTON
TBC

Thursday 23rd September @ Infinity Club
10 Old Burlington Street, Mayfair, London
http://www.ents24.com/web/venue/24714/L ... +Club.html

Doors: 8 til late
Cost: £5/ £4 concessions/ with flyer

See you there!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:46 pm 
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Has this event got anything to do with the SWP?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:01 pm 
The Socialist Workers Party does not fund Rock Against Racism, although they are a party that promote fighting racism. It will be a good night, get down there!!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:26 pm 
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I'm sure it will be a good night.
Although I believe it will have no impact on the fight against racism.

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Bazza wrote:
Has this event got anything to do with the SWP?


Why Bazza?

Personally speaking I admire the single minded determination of the SWP but a party which has not grown in size and still stands at 10,000 needs to address why it's poilcies to not appeal to the electorate!

Rock Against Racism is run by the ANL whose leading officers are mainly members of the SWP! However I haven't a problem with that (a card carrying ANL member and ex SWP one as well!)

Back to the gig. No disrespect to the bands but surely Rock Against Racism should do another line up with a "big" name line the excellent Libertines/Buzzcocks gig earlier this year. The higher the profile the better chance of support and the message getting across. Personally I think these gigs should be in areas where there has been high level of support for the BNP in local and European elections where there the message needs to be stated that people should not have the wool pulled over their eyes. They are hardly going to win in Westminster!

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Didn't that gig get cancelled when The Libertines pulled out?

They should be looking to book bands who have something to say on the matter of racism and not just big names to get bums on seats. Like this gig -

Europe Against Fascism
Billy Bragg will be performing at this Ethical Threads/Love Music Hate Racism event at the Astoria Theatre in London, on 16 October.

All proceeds to Unite Against Fascism.

Also on the bill are: Karma'Sutra from France, Carbon/Silicon (Mick Jones and Tony James, etc), Hanin Elias, Skitz & Rodney P UK Hip-Hop, and more. Very Special Guests to be announced.

The event starts at 6pm/18:00hrs and ends around 10pm/22:00hrs. Tickets £12 from Ticketmaster UK
Or half-price bookable in person by European Social Forum delegates only at the Astoria, Charing Cross Road.

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Bazza wrote:
Didn't that gig get cancelled when The Libertines pulled out?


No. That was the respect festival. The other one was an excellent night at the Astoria.

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Bazza wrote:
Didn't that gig get cancelled when The Libertines pulled out?

They should be looking to book bands who have something to say on the matter of racism and not just big names to get bums on seats. Like this gig -



Bazza

Much as I support the cause and love Bragg, do they really want people who have something supposedly relevant to say? Most of these gigs actually have people who have absolutely nothing to say because they are either preaching to the converted (esp Bragg fans) or get stage fright and just say something silly eg "All fascists are cunts" - er yes we know... or "What do we want... No rascism, when do we want it it..." - oh please... you're embarrassing. I'm not sure what the alternative is and maybe I'm just too old to be affected by these things anymore but there has to be a better way of warning people of the dangers of the BNP, etc than getting musicians or even worse SWP students on stage and giving them 20 seconds to shout cliched rhetoric.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:33 am 
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Bovine Juice wrote:
Bazza wrote:
Didn't that gig get cancelled when The Libertines pulled out?

They should be looking to book bands who have something to say on the matter of racism and not just big names to get bums on seats. Like this gig -



Bazza

Much as I support the cause and love Bragg, do they really want people who have something supposedly relevant to say? Most of these gigs actually have people who have absolutely nothing to say because they are either preaching to the converted (esp Bragg fans) or get stage fright and just say something silly eg "All fascists are cunts" - er yes we know... or "What do we want... No rascism, when do we want it it..." - oh please... you're embarrassing. I'm not sure what the alternative is and maybe I'm just too old to be affected by these things anymore but there has to be a better way of warning people of the dangers of the BNP, etc than getting musicians or even worse SWP students on stage and giving them 20 seconds to shout cliched rhetoric.



It all depends on the bands you get.

I always thought that bands like The Blaggers ITA did a great job of promoting anti-fascism more so than the lolly pop waving ANL brigade.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:36 am 
The point of these smaller rock against racism gigs is to make a regular and noticable effort to raise money for the cause, one off large events are ideal when possible, but its just not always possible. With regards to the bands involved, they dont aim to be spokesmen, and rarely have any long speaches of any substance regarding anti-rasicm, but what they do offer is their time and skills as a way of raising money - The bands spend weeks promoting the event (often via music message boards!) drag all their equipment into central london by whatever means available (often busses) spend best part of a day seting up at the venue, then eventually get a chance to play their music. Then they pack it all up again, drag it all the way home, and don't recieve any payment whatsoever. I think its a decent thing, and it is a regular event, so eventualy should make a difference. I bet Morrisey and the likes dont work that hard at the larger events - people do what they can on whatever scale they can, that is the point.


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I'm certainly not questioning the motives of any people involved in these things. They should be commended for their efforts and time. I just question the need for them to make statements during the proceedings. Leave the political message to people who know about them ie let the organisations have tables there to leaflet or recruit members.

Billy Bragg of course is a very humourous, informative and professional speaker but on major well documented issues such as racism he's not going to tell a Billy Bragg audience stuff that they don't already know/think. On more specific issues such as Fair Trade etc he's more effective however.

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Bazza wrote:

Europe Against Fascism
Billy Bragg will be performing at this Ethical Threads/Love Music Hate Racism event at the Astoria Theatre in London, on 16 October.

All proceeds to Unite Against Fascism.

Also on the bill are: Karma'Sutra from France, Carbon/Silicon (Mick Jones and Tony James, etc), Hanin Elias, Skitz & Rodney P UK Hip-Hop, and more. Very Special Guests to be announced.

The event starts at 6pm/18:00hrs and ends around 10pm/22:00hrs. Tickets £12 from Ticketmaster UK
Or half-price bookable in person by European Social Forum delegates only at the Astoria, Charing Cross Road.


I can't find that one eitehr on Ticketbastard or the LMHR site. Where did you get the info from, please?

I did find this one:

LMHR @ THE EUROPEAN SOCIAL FORUM: BABYSHAMBLES AT THE CORONET LONDON
Fri, October 15, 2004, Future


FRIDAY 15th OCTOBER:-
LMHR, ETHICAL THREADS and UNITE present...
BABYSHAMBLES
VERY SPECIAL GUESTS
RHYTHM KING AND HER FRIENDS (Germany)
BRINKMAN
LUDES
MEDIENGRUPPE TELECOMMANDER (Germany)
SUNSHINE VALLEY DANCE BAND

£10 / £6 with ESF* registration (reduced-price tickets in person only from venue with ID)
from the following outlets:
www.ticketweb.co.uk, Tel: 08700 600 100


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Honey wrote:
I can't find that one eitehr on Ticketbastard or the LMHR site. Where did you get the info from, please?

I did find this one:

LMHR @ THE EUROPEAN SOCIAL FORUM: BABYSHAMBLES AT THE CORONET LONDON
Fri, October 15, 2004, Future


FRIDAY 15th OCTOBER:-
LMHR, ETHICAL THREADS and UNITE present...
BABYSHAMBLES
VERY SPECIAL GUESTS
RHYTHM KING AND HER FRIENDS (Germany)
BRINKMAN
LUDES
MEDIENGRUPPE TELECOMMANDER (Germany)
SUNSHINE VALLEY DANCE BAND

£10 / £6 with ESF* registration (reduced-price tickets in person only from venue with ID)
from the following outlets:
www.ticketweb.co.uk, Tel: 08700 600 100




The info is on the Billy Bragg website - http://www.billybragg.co.uk

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