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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:20 pm 
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From Kinky Boots - sung by Patrick Macnee

Sweet girls, street girls,
Grumpy little beat girls,
Square girls, cool girls,
Sexy little schoolgirls,

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The first line of that Love song "Live And Let Live" is a bit wierd.

"Oh the snot has caked against my pants. It has turned into crystal."

Bloody hippies.

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The Final Countdown by Europe is rubbish.

“We're heading for Venus and still we stand tall
'Cause maybe they've seen us and welcome us all, yea
With so many light years to go and things to be found
(To be found)
I'm sure that we'll all miss her so”

So they’re leaving earth – if they’re heading for Venus they’ll get a big shock as it has a large carbon dioxide atmosphere with clouds of sulphuric acid and atmospheric pressure at surface level of 92 times the earth, utterly incapable of supporting life. They’re not going to get much of a welcome. It’s also 41m km from Earth so if they travel “so many light years” they’ll have missed their turning and have to come back. Finding things – do they know how big space is? And how do you stand tall in space? You lose bone mass and muscles because of the lack of gravity so it’s more likely you’ll end up as a blob of flesh with broken bones.

Don’t heavy metallers do any research?

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A return for this rather splendid thread just to announce I was listening to Frank Black, the large butch former frontman of the Pixies sing:

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Luther: Oh baby, something's crossed my mind.
I was thinking you'd look so fine
In a velvet dress
With heels and an ermine stole.
Hansel: Oh, Luther darling, heaven knows
I've never put on women's clothes!
Except for once
My mother's camisole.

So you think only a woman
Can truly love a man.
Then you buy me the dress
I'll be more woman than a man like you can stand.
I'll be your Venus on a chocolate clam shell
Rising on a sea of marshmallow foam,
And if you've got some sugar for me,
Sugar Daddy, bring it home.


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That's not really a Frank Black song though is it? It's from Hedwig & The Angry Inch.

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That's not really a Frank Black song though is it? It's from Hedwig & The Angry Inch.


You're right, Simon, but imagine Frank singing it...

It's on a charity album from 2003.


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Rebirth for one of the classic threads (*tips hat to Westie*)

Just been listening to Transfusion by Nervous Norvus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jojuPQXMm44) about an irresponsible hard drinking nutjob endlessly speeding and crashing. Can you imagine the fuss if this record was made today?

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Rebirth for one of the classic threads (*tips hat to Westie*)

Just been listening to Transfusion by Nervous Norvus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jojuPQXMm44) about an irresponsible hard drinking nutjob endlessly speeding and crashing. Can you imagine the fuss if this record was made today?


I don't see why there would be any fuss; It's clearly intended as a cautionary tale. In The summertime by Mungo Jerry, on the other hand, seems to incite drink driving with the lines "Have a drink have a drive, go out and see what you can find".
If any Nervous Norvus song was going to cause a fuss these days, it would be The Wild Dogs Of Kentucky; "coon" back then was no doubt an acceptable contraction of raccoon, but singing about wild dogs running after coon, who is scared and trembling in the shadows and the dogs not resting until coon is lying dead, ain't gonna get you played on the BBC nowadays.
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Tjinder Singh (apologies if the spelling is wrong) from Cornershop openly refers to himself as a coon in interviews.

It's like the whole Spurs "Yid" thing. IMO offensive terms like that shouldn't be used. You can't have one rule for some people and one for the other. I'm not happy about half the rap songs being made using the N-word. It's offensive. Don't use it, even if you are the particular race/religion that it was first coined as a term of abuse for. Get rid of the words altogether, let them fade totally from use and that way they're less likely to be used as terms of abuse against you. Wipe the slate clean so kids don't hear them and don't know that they can be as offensive as they are. The annoying paradox is that the more you clamp down on something, the more extremists will use it and more power will be added to it. But eventually they'll go away. Even if it takes 50 years.

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I got this feeling on the summer day when you were gone.
I crashed my car into the bridge. I watched, I let it burn.
I threw your sh*t into a bag and pushed it down the stairs.
I crashed my car into the bridge.

I've got no beef with the bag part of the song - but crashing the car into the bridge and watching it burn? Now if it was his car that's fine (there would be a risk of death but we will allow it for the sake of lyrics). But 'My' car - oh yeah, you've really hurt him, crashing your own car into a bridge and letting it burn - then she says, 'I love it'. No remorse, nothing. She's stoopid.

Also they only ever play the 'I don't care I love it' snippet of the song on ads an' all - because when you find out what she loves, you think, 'What a gobshite'.

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Tjinder Singh (apologies if the spelling is wrong) from Cornershop openly refers to himself as a coon in interviews.

It's like the whole Spurs "Yid" thing. IMO offensive terms like that shouldn't be used. You can't have one rule for some people and one for the other. I'm not happy about half the rap songs being made using the N-word. It's offensive. Don't use it, even if you are the particular race/religion that it was first coined as a term of abuse for. Get rid of the words altogether, let them fade totally from use and that way they're less likely to be used as terms of abuse against you. Wipe the slate clean so kids don't hear them and don't know that they can be as offensive as they are. The annoying paradox is that the more you clamp down on something, the more extremists will use it and more power will be added to it. But eventually they'll go away. Even if it takes 50 years.


I'm a Spurs supporter. I prefer to not join in with the Yid chants because I don't really identify with the term. As to whether others should be allowed to chant it, I'm ambivalent. I believe all use of language is more complex than the choice of individual words; inflection, context and intent has to be considered to understand any meaning. Having said that, all words have an etymology and it's impossible to escape a word's origins and history when that word is used as publicly as in a football chant. Whilst understanding that some Jewish people don't like hearing non Jewish Spurs fans using the word, the views of Jewish Spurs fans are often not in agreement and maybe their views are no less valid. Kev refers to words that were "first coined as a term of abuse". Although some may see it as abusive, the word Yid is simply the Yiddish word for a (male) Jew, so although I have some sympathies with those trying to stop the Spurs chants, I think equating the word 'Yid' with the word 'nigger', is not one of their more persuassive arguments.
I'm open to persuasion on this issue, but as yet, nobody has convinced me on either side of the argument.

As for the use of the term 'nigger' in hip hop, when The Last Poets did it over forty years ago, it was, I believe, a valid way of confronting and reflecting racial hatred. The casual and almost banal use of it nowadays has become so commonplace as to lose all it's confrontational force and just seems to me to show a bankruptcy of imaginative use of language as a weapon in what has largely become in most of it's practioners' hands another branch of a bland entertainment industry. But then again, who am I, a white man, living amongst a white majority, to judge how any person who has lived as a racial minority should choose to describe themselves?

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You're right - Yid is from Yiddish so wasn't originally a term or abuse. But nigger comes from negro so maybe that wasn't initially too. Either way - both ARE now. So by repeating them over and over, particularly the sheer amount of times nigger is used in rap has gone WAY beyond that initial way of confronting racial hatred. I got 99 rap songs that use the word just for the sake of its use. Not for political reasons. That's what I don't like about these terms. They can be used to confront the subject, but they're not really any more. And personally I don't think there's a place for any of them.

The exception would be gay, which was often used as abuse. There are far more offensive terms for gay people that I never want to hear. But the meaning of gay has changed in that respect. Saying Stephen Fry is gay isn't abusive at all. Calling him a fag or whatever is.

There's the playground use of the word - "that's so gay!" - which seems to be totally separate from anything to do with homosexuality, although I don't really like it being used in that way either to be honest.

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jorgea wrote:
Why did these lyrics creep you out?


Cuz they're gay...

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Only picked up on this line the other day; a prime bit of 50s filth from everyone's favourite uncle:

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Get out from that kitchen and rattle those pots and pans
Get out from that kitchen and rattle those pots and pans
Well, roll my breakfast 'cause I'm a hungry man
[Chorus:]
I said Shake, rattle and roll
I said Shake, rattle and roll
I said Shake, rattle and roll
I said Shake, rattle and roll
Well, you never do nothin' to save your doggone soul
Wearin' those dresses, your hair done up so nice
Wearin' those dresses, your hair done up so nice
You look so warm, but your heart is cold as ice
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I'm like a one-eyed cat, peepin' in a sea-food store
I'm like a one-eyed cat, peepin' in a sea-food store
I can look at you, tell you don't love me no more
I believe you're doin' me wrong and now I know
I believe you're doin' me wrong and now I know
The more I work, the faster my money goes
[Chorus]
Shake, Rattle And Roll

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The Bill Haley version omits these other risqué lyrics found in the Joe Turner original:

Way you wear those dresses
The sun comes shinin' through
Way you wear those dresses
The sun comes shinin' through
I can't believe my eyes
All that mess belongs to you


Always wondered if the only reason the seafood line made it into Bill's version was because nobody at the record company understood them.

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The Bill Haley version omits these other risqué lyrics found in the Joe Turner original:

Way you wear those dresses
The sun comes shinin' through
Way you wear those dresses
The sun comes shinin' through
I can't believe my eyes
All that mess belongs to you


Always wondered if the only reason the seafood line made it into Bill's version was because nobody at the record company understood them.


The seafood line replaced it because it was a way of sanitising "black" music for a more mainstream audience. As you know, they did this with loads of hokum songs, and this was one of them. It was just deemed a bit risque!

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KevW wrote:
milchman wrote:
The Bill Haley version omits these other risqué lyrics found in the Joe Turner original:

Way you wear those dresses
The sun comes shinin' through
Way you wear those dresses
The sun comes shinin' through
I can't believe my eyes
All that mess belongs to you


Always wondered if the only reason the seafood line made it into Bill's version was because nobody at the record company understood them.


The seafood line replaced it because it was a way of sanitising "black" music for a more mainstream audience. As you know, they did this with loads of hokum songs, and this was one of them. It was just deemed a bit risque!

Kev, the seafood line doesn't replace anything, it's in both versions. The lines omitted from Haley's version are the ones I quoted above and also the following couplet:

I've been holdin' it in, way down underneath
You make me roll my eyes, baby, make me grit my teeth

What's surprising and what both BJ and myself were commenting on, is that Haley's version did include the equally smutty seafood line, unadulterated, when other risqué lines were sanitised. Was this because they thought they could get away with it, or had they missed it's double entendre, just as you seem to have done?

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What's surprising and what both BJ and myself were commenting on, is that Haley's version did include the equally smutty seafood line, unadulterated, when other risqué lines were sanitised. Was this because they thought they could get away with it, or had they missed it's double entendre, just as you seem to have done?


Definitely latter for me. It's just such a bizarre line, with such an obvious second meaning now but maybe less so then.

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Apologies - I did know they were in both versions. This song was actually used as an example of cleaning up songs for wider audiences on my course and it looked at it in some depth. The reason the seafood line was left in appears to be that they simply didn't think anyone would get the meaning. And not many did to be honest.

I only read the last post in the topic so I missed the brief discussion beforehand.

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